1 00:00:05,030 --> 00:00:03,750 a large portion of the experiments on 2 00:00:07,110 --> 00:00:05,040 the international space station are 3 00:00:09,430 --> 00:00:07,120 designed to find out how that alien 4 00:00:11,509 --> 00:00:09,440 environment impacts the human beings we 5 00:00:13,030 --> 00:00:11,519 send there commander steve swanson and 6 00:00:14,709 --> 00:00:13,040 flight engineer reid wiseman are 7 00:00:17,349 --> 00:00:14,719 scheduled to gather data for one of 8 00:00:18,790 --> 00:00:17,359 those experiments known as cardio ox and 9 00:00:20,710 --> 00:00:18,800 it's looking into whether or not 10 00:00:22,870 --> 00:00:20,720 elevated stress is related to an 11 00:00:25,750 --> 00:00:22,880 increased risk of atherosclerosis in 12 00:00:27,830 --> 00:00:25,760 astronauts during or after space flight 13 00:00:29,910 --> 00:00:27,840 the principal investigator is dr steven 14 00:00:32,389 --> 00:00:29,920 platts of the biomedical research and 15 00:00:34,549 --> 00:00:32,399 environmental sciences division here at 16 00:00:36,709 --> 00:00:34,559 nasa's johnson space center 17 00:00:38,549 --> 00:00:36,719 i spoke to him recently about this 18 00:00:40,950 --> 00:00:38,559 research into the cardiovascular health 19 00:00:42,869 --> 00:00:40,960 risk of long-duration space flight and 20 00:00:46,389 --> 00:00:42,879 asked if we know for a medical fact that 21 00:00:48,310 --> 00:00:46,399 space flight causes stress in astronauts 22 00:00:49,510 --> 00:00:48,320 we don't know for sure and that's always 23 00:00:51,270 --> 00:00:49,520 something with science you know it's 24 00:00:53,189 --> 00:00:51,280 hard to tell anything for sure but there 25 00:00:55,270 --> 00:00:53,199 have been several experiments 26 00:00:57,189 --> 00:00:55,280 over the past few years that have shown 27 00:00:59,270 --> 00:00:57,199 an increase in the biomarkers that are 28 00:01:01,590 --> 00:00:59,280 shown with oxidative stress and most 29 00:01:03,590 --> 00:01:01,600 recently at a meeting in canada 30 00:01:05,670 --> 00:01:03,600 several groups presented data showing 31 00:01:07,910 --> 00:01:05,680 that there were increases in oxidative 32 00:01:09,750 --> 00:01:07,920 stress and increases in 33 00:01:11,990 --> 00:01:09,760 the way that the blood vessels change 34 00:01:14,550 --> 00:01:12,000 during space flight so we're seeing more 35 00:01:16,950 --> 00:01:14,560 changes than we had previously 36 00:01:18,870 --> 00:01:16,960 anticipated so it fits very well with 37 00:01:21,190 --> 00:01:18,880 our experiment so we are collecting data 38 00:01:23,030 --> 00:01:21,200 that that is helping us determine 39 00:01:24,789 --> 00:01:23,040 whether or not that is a cause at all 40 00:01:26,310 --> 00:01:24,799 now um can you tell me a little about 41 00:01:28,070 --> 00:01:26,320 the difference if there's what are the 42 00:01:29,510 --> 00:01:28,080 difference between oxidative versus the 43 00:01:31,429 --> 00:01:29,520 inflammatory stress sure so the 44 00:01:33,270 --> 00:01:31,439 oxidative stress is what's caused 45 00:01:35,590 --> 00:01:33,280 basically by everyday function every 46 00:01:38,310 --> 00:01:35,600 cell in your body when it burns atp 47 00:01:39,990 --> 00:01:38,320 produces a free radical that's what we 48 00:01:42,310 --> 00:01:40,000 used to call it but a reactive oxygen 49 00:01:43,990 --> 00:01:42,320 species or a reactive nitrogen species 50 00:01:45,749 --> 00:01:44,000 so these are the things that they're in 51 00:01:48,230 --> 00:01:45,759 your body naturally it's part of the 52 00:01:50,789 --> 00:01:48,240 normal process and then you also produce 53 00:01:52,950 --> 00:01:50,799 antioxidants so things that clean these 54 00:01:54,630 --> 00:01:52,960 up and you need them in your body that's 55 00:01:57,270 --> 00:01:54,640 one of the primary ways that your white 56 00:01:58,469 --> 00:01:57,280 blood cells fight infection is um with 57 00:02:00,550 --> 00:01:58,479 these compounds so if you don't have 58 00:02:02,550 --> 00:02:00,560 them it's bad and you hear on tv all the 59 00:02:04,310 --> 00:02:02,560 time well you should eat blueberries and 60 00:02:05,749 --> 00:02:04,320 eat dark chocolate and drink red wine 61 00:02:08,469 --> 00:02:05,759 because they have antioxidants right 62 00:02:10,550 --> 00:02:08,479 yeah i know i do too but those are 63 00:02:11,750 --> 00:02:10,560 because they're antioxidants so you want 64 00:02:14,790 --> 00:02:11,760 to be careful you don't want to take 65 00:02:17,190 --> 00:02:14,800 antioxidants unless you need them but 66 00:02:19,830 --> 00:02:17,200 recent research has shown that many 67 00:02:22,070 --> 00:02:19,840 disease processes involve oxidative 68 00:02:24,150 --> 00:02:22,080 stress and that's what happens when that 69 00:02:26,070 --> 00:02:24,160 balance is skewed in your body so either 70 00:02:28,710 --> 00:02:26,080 you're producing too many 71 00:02:30,710 --> 00:02:28,720 oxidants or you're not 72 00:02:32,790 --> 00:02:30,720 getting rid of them enough so there's 73 00:02:35,670 --> 00:02:32,800 this equation of fine balance and that's 74 00:02:37,509 --> 00:02:35,680 disrupted so you're tilting towards a 75 00:02:39,990 --> 00:02:37,519 more oxidative environment and that's 76 00:02:41,589 --> 00:02:40,000 when you can get damage to 77 00:02:43,190 --> 00:02:41,599 dna or 78 00:02:44,229 --> 00:02:43,200 protein changes 79 00:02:45,910 --> 00:02:44,239 or 80 00:02:47,589 --> 00:02:45,920 changes in the vascular wall which is 81 00:02:49,350 --> 00:02:47,599 what we're looking at how those things 82 00:02:50,710 --> 00:02:49,360 occur and those are precursors to 83 00:02:53,430 --> 00:02:50,720 inflammatory 84 00:02:55,990 --> 00:02:53,440 stresses so it's oxidative stress occurs 85 00:02:57,509 --> 00:02:56,000 that creates an inflammatory environment 86 00:02:59,670 --> 00:02:57,519 and then that inflammation really can 87 00:03:01,910 --> 00:02:59,680 damage the tissue and lead to a 88 00:03:03,670 --> 00:03:01,920 pathological state like atherosclerosis 89 00:03:05,830 --> 00:03:03,680 great thanks for that well so i can only 90 00:03:08,390 --> 00:03:05,840 imagine but can you tell me briefly what 91 00:03:09,830 --> 00:03:08,400 causes the stress for the astronauts 92 00:03:11,509 --> 00:03:09,840 there are quite a few things so again 93 00:03:13,990 --> 00:03:11,519 here on earth we're extrapolating a lot 94 00:03:16,550 --> 00:03:14,000 of this up into space but we know that 95 00:03:18,630 --> 00:03:16,560 radiation causes oxidative stress we 96 00:03:20,309 --> 00:03:18,640 know that certain types of diet can 97 00:03:22,790 --> 00:03:20,319 cause it 98 00:03:24,869 --> 00:03:22,800 physical activity both too much and too 99 00:03:26,949 --> 00:03:24,879 little can increase your oxidative 100 00:03:29,270 --> 00:03:26,959 stress even something like psychological 101 00:03:31,910 --> 00:03:29,280 stress just the confinement of being up 102 00:03:34,149 --> 00:03:31,920 in space increases the oxidative stress 103 00:03:36,630 --> 00:03:34,159 and again a recent study that was uh 104 00:03:38,710 --> 00:03:36,640 presented up in canada showed that just 105 00:03:40,949 --> 00:03:38,720 confinement alone the psychological 106 00:03:43,110 --> 00:03:40,959 stress that occurs with that 107 00:03:44,949 --> 00:03:43,120 changes the vascular wall and how that 108 00:03:46,949 --> 00:03:44,959 blood vessel then functions 109 00:03:48,869 --> 00:03:46,959 okay let's talk about this thing from 110 00:03:51,509 --> 00:03:48,879 here today can you tell me about how we 111 00:03:52,949 --> 00:03:51,519 are going about collecting the data 112 00:03:55,190 --> 00:03:52,959 there are two main ways we collect data 113 00:03:57,509 --> 00:03:55,200 the first is the the biomarkers so we 114 00:03:59,750 --> 00:03:57,519 want to look at blood and urine and see 115 00:04:01,830 --> 00:03:59,760 which markers of oxidative stress or 116 00:04:03,670 --> 00:04:01,840 inflammation are elevated but the 117 00:04:05,750 --> 00:04:03,680 primary way we collect physiological 118 00:04:07,670 --> 00:04:05,760 data is with the ultrasound machine here 119 00:04:09,670 --> 00:04:07,680 and this is our portable ultrasound it's 120 00:04:11,429 --> 00:04:09,680 exactly the same as ultrasound that's on 121 00:04:13,190 --> 00:04:11,439 station up there it's called the 122 00:04:14,630 --> 00:04:13,200 ultrasound two it's the second unit 123 00:04:16,710 --> 00:04:14,640 they've had up there we have it 124 00:04:18,789 --> 00:04:16,720 configured exactly the same as they do 125 00:04:20,629 --> 00:04:18,799 on station again so that we can talk 126 00:04:22,710 --> 00:04:20,639 them through their data collections uh 127 00:04:25,270 --> 00:04:22,720 in the minimal amount of time possible 128 00:04:27,189 --> 00:04:25,280 here you'll you see a carotid artery and 129 00:04:29,110 --> 00:04:27,199 this is one of the primary arteries that 130 00:04:31,670 --> 00:04:29,120 we're looking at for this experiment 131 00:04:34,230 --> 00:04:31,680 over here is a black and white image and 132 00:04:36,070 --> 00:04:34,240 if you blow up this area you can see a 133 00:04:37,749 --> 00:04:36,080 larger view and this is doppler 134 00:04:40,469 --> 00:04:37,759 ultrasound so this is much like a 135 00:04:42,469 --> 00:04:40,479 weather map where they're showing 136 00:04:45,110 --> 00:04:42,479 the rain moving we're showing blood 137 00:04:48,070 --> 00:04:45,120 flowing and so we will use these data to 138 00:04:50,310 --> 00:04:48,080 help us calculate what the blood flow is 139 00:04:51,590 --> 00:04:50,320 in that artery we also use diameter 140 00:04:53,590 --> 00:04:51,600 measurements and one of the most 141 00:04:56,550 --> 00:04:53,600 important things we do is measure the 142 00:04:58,230 --> 00:04:56,560 thickness of this wall and for our study 143 00:05:00,390 --> 00:04:58,240 the thickness of the wall is a critical 144 00:05:02,150 --> 00:05:00,400 component that thickness has been shown 145 00:05:03,990 --> 00:05:02,160 to relate to a long-term risk of 146 00:05:06,150 --> 00:05:04,000 atherosclerosis so that's one of our 147 00:05:08,790 --> 00:05:06,160 primary outcomes is how thick does that 148 00:05:11,189 --> 00:05:08,800 wall get and then does that relate or 149 00:05:12,310 --> 00:05:11,199 correlate to a change in the biomarkers 150 00:05:14,310 --> 00:05:12,320 that we're getting in the other part of 151 00:05:15,830 --> 00:05:14,320 the experiment and the astronaut is 152 00:05:17,270 --> 00:05:15,840 using you have 153 00:05:18,710 --> 00:05:17,280 yes we have a 154 00:05:20,870 --> 00:05:18,720 ultrasound probe here so when they're 155 00:05:23,510 --> 00:05:20,880 doing a collection like this 156 00:05:25,510 --> 00:05:23,520 they will take the probe and hold it and 157 00:05:27,830 --> 00:05:25,520 like the carotid artery would be right 158 00:05:29,110 --> 00:05:27,840 about here and they would manipulate it 159 00:05:30,950 --> 00:05:29,120 and from the ground would be telling 160 00:05:32,950 --> 00:05:30,960 them okay move it to the left move it to 161 00:05:35,270 --> 00:05:32,960 the right rotate it this way and they 162 00:05:37,909 --> 00:05:35,280 can do these types of things we also do 163 00:05:39,590 --> 00:05:37,919 some cardiac measurements and you can do 164 00:05:41,189 --> 00:05:39,600 that like this and then the brachial 165 00:05:43,670 --> 00:05:41,199 artery in the arm is what we're using as 166 00:05:45,430 --> 00:05:43,680 our control vessel so that vessel is at 167 00:05:47,189 --> 00:05:45,440 the same level as the heart shouldn't 168 00:05:48,230 --> 00:05:47,199 change much if you're looking at 169 00:05:50,469 --> 00:05:48,240 pressures 170 00:05:52,390 --> 00:05:50,479 and we're using that to look at function 171 00:05:54,070 --> 00:05:52,400 as well as structure so we can do other 172 00:05:56,309 --> 00:05:54,080 types of experiments where we see how 173 00:05:58,629 --> 00:05:56,319 that blood vessel functions we can see 174 00:06:00,870 --> 00:05:58,639 it get bigger and get smaller 175 00:06:02,950 --> 00:06:00,880 when we do different perturbations to it 176 00:06:05,430 --> 00:06:02,960 and so i assume you take various data 177 00:06:10,150 --> 00:06:08,390 before during yes we do pre-flight post 178 00:06:12,870 --> 00:06:10,160 flight and then in flight 179 00:06:15,110 --> 00:06:12,880 tell me what what you hope to get from 180 00:06:17,670 --> 00:06:15,120 the results of this sure um one of the 181 00:06:19,830 --> 00:06:17,680 things we don't know is if space flight 182 00:06:22,309 --> 00:06:19,840 increases the long-term risk of an 183 00:06:23,510 --> 00:06:22,319 astronaut having a cardiovascular issue 184 00:06:25,749 --> 00:06:23,520 in the future 185 00:06:27,189 --> 00:06:25,759 we've done some work looking at what's 186 00:06:30,710 --> 00:06:27,199 happening in flight but we don't know 187 00:06:32,550 --> 00:06:30,720 long term so this study will help us to 188 00:06:34,790 --> 00:06:32,560 figure out if we have a long-term risk 189 00:06:36,710 --> 00:06:34,800 and a lot of that is 190 00:06:38,550 --> 00:06:36,720 we're recognizing that it's not a 191 00:06:39,990 --> 00:06:38,560 one-shot deal right you give a stress 192 00:06:41,670 --> 00:06:40,000 and you're not necessarily going to have 193 00:06:43,430 --> 00:06:41,680 a problem right then but 10 years down 194 00:06:45,670 --> 00:06:43,440 the road you may have increased their 195 00:06:46,710 --> 00:06:45,680 risk and so this study is one of the few 196 00:06:49,830 --> 00:06:46,720 studies 197 00:06:51,430 --> 00:06:49,840 that has a surveillance part to it so 198 00:06:54,070 --> 00:06:51,440 we're looking at these astronauts for 199 00:06:56,870 --> 00:06:54,080 five years after they return from space 200 00:06:59,029 --> 00:06:56,880 to see if there's any chronic changes or 201 00:07:00,150 --> 00:06:59,039 chronic inflammation that's going on and 202 00:07:01,830 --> 00:07:00,160 that's 203 00:07:04,230 --> 00:07:01,840 very important for clinical medicine 204 00:07:06,629 --> 00:07:04,240 here on earth they look at these types 205 00:07:09,189 --> 00:07:06,639 of markers and look at the risks that 206 00:07:11,270 --> 00:07:09,199 people have over time and there are some 207 00:07:12,950 --> 00:07:11,280 uh epidemiological studies that have 208 00:07:14,870 --> 00:07:12,960 been done the most famous being the 209 00:07:16,950 --> 00:07:14,880 framingham study and they create a 210 00:07:19,350 --> 00:07:16,960 number to give you your overall risk for 211 00:07:21,589 --> 00:07:19,360 having a heart disease in the future but 212 00:07:23,430 --> 00:07:21,599 a lot of these models are now adding in 213 00:07:25,430 --> 00:07:23,440 the vascular age 214 00:07:27,510 --> 00:07:25,440 and people probably seen that on tv now 215 00:07:29,350 --> 00:07:27,520 the vascular age oh i'm a 90 year old as 216 00:07:30,950 --> 00:07:29,360 far as my blood vessels are concerned 217 00:07:32,550 --> 00:07:30,960 but it's it's a real number and 218 00:07:35,110 --> 00:07:32,560 different people calculate it different 219 00:07:37,670 --> 00:07:35,120 ways but what leads up to that is how 220 00:07:39,270 --> 00:07:37,680 are your blood vessels functioning and 221 00:07:42,150 --> 00:07:39,280 we're hopefully going to be able to 222 00:07:43,990 --> 00:07:42,160 contribute to that to say okay if you 223 00:07:45,990 --> 00:07:44,000 have this much change in your blood 224 00:07:47,589 --> 00:07:46,000 vessel function or this much change in 225 00:07:49,670 --> 00:07:47,599 the structure how does that relate to 226 00:07:50,869 --> 00:07:49,680 your long-term risk of cardiovascular 227 00:07:53,029 --> 00:07:50,879 disease 228 00:07:54,629 --> 00:07:53,039 very very interesting and important work 229 00:07:56,150 --> 00:07:54,639 that you are doing you and your team i 230 00:07:58,230 --> 00:07:56,160 appreciate you coming out that's all the 231 00:08:00,150 --> 00:07:58,240 time we have and showing us all the work 232 00:08:02,150 --> 00:08:00,160 that you are doing and much continued 233 00:08:03,990 --> 00:08:02,160 success great and uh hope we get more 234 00:08:05,430 --> 00:08:04,000 answers to